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Episode 27: Interview with 2024 Boston Finisher and Supermom, Justine Pomerance

In this week's episode, Katie and Elena sit down with a longtime friend of The Endurance Drive, Justine Pomerance, to talk about her journey as an athlete and—most recently—her experience racing the Boston Marathon just five months after becoming a new mom. Justine is a certified badass and her perspective on balance, adventure, and longevity in sport has something for all of our listeners. We can't wait for you to hear this one!

Gear pick of the week:

Katie: Supergoop Sunscreen

Elena: Smith Sunglasses

Justine: O.W.L. Energy Bars

Episode 26: Mental Training for Endurance Athletes with Dr. Justin Ross, PsyD

In this week's episode, we dive deep with a master in the sport psychology space. Dr. Justin Ross is a licensed clinical psychologist and a certified cycling and running coach who specializes in health, wellness, and human performance. He shares his expertise on a ton of topics that will help you unlock the next level of performance in training and racing, including activating mindfulness as an athlete, myths about mental training, building self-efficacy, setting goals, mental skills for before, during, and after races, the power of self-talk and mantras, fear and anxiety in races, optimism, and so much more. This one is a game-changer!

Special Offer from Dr Justin Ross to The Endurance Drive community:

You dedicate hours to training your body, improving your endurance, and increasing strength. You obsess over gear choices and take steps to be as dialed in as possible. You optimize nutrition and recovery. Yet, despite your dedication you may be neglecting one of the most important aspects of being an athlete: Your Mind.
This 3 session program is designed to educate you on evidence-based practices for optimizing your mental game. Each session will include lessons and guided practice for your weekly training. The course builds from base-building strategies to race day execution strategies (including understanding and managing the Taper Tantrums). There will be plenty of opportunities for team based discussion and to ask your individual questions. If you want to take your training to the next level, this program is for you.

This 3 part coaching program is specific only for The Endurance Drive athletes and coaching staff (no other teams or athletes will be invited to our series). All sessions will be recorded and sent to registered participants. Session dates and times are as follows:

  • Tuesday, May 7, 7pm EST

  • Tuesday, June 4, 7pm EST

  • Tuesday, July 2, 7pm EST

Registration Link

Resources we mentioned in Coaching & Training Insights:

Alia Crum’s research on mindset

Garmin’s Guided Lactate Threshold Test

Bravey by Alexi Pappas - rule of thirds 

Episode 25: Journey through Sport and Life with Colleen Geaumont

This week’s episode features one of our favorite people in the Endurance Drive community: our social media and gear guru, Colleen Geaumont. Katie and Elena chat with Colleen about the common themes that have marked her journey through sport and life as a high school swimmer, a nationally ranked beauty queen (Miss Maine World), a competitive triathlete, and a powerlifter. We talk about team dynamics inside and outside of sport, challenges related to body image and eating disorders, confidence in performing and racing, Colleen’s big comeback from a severe neck injury and surgery that sidelined her from sport, visual content creation as Colleen’s creative outlet, and a whole lot more. We were overjoyed to put the spotlight on the woman who is usually behind the camera in this one, and we’re so grateful to Colleen for openly and confidently sharing her story with a healthy dose of levity and humor. Check it out!

Gear pick of the week:

Colleen: Manta sleep mask 

Elena: Naked running band

Katie: ON women’s running shorts

Episode 24: Fears in Ironman Training and Racing

In this super special episode, we asked the amazing members of our community what they are most afraid of when it comes to endurance training and racing. They delivered with thoughtful, insightful responses that helped us come up with a ton of content for our longest episode yet! Topics include: fears related to training and conditioning; mental or psychological fears like falling short of goals or expectations; hesitations about technique and skills (including, yes, open water swimming); concerns about nutrition, health, and body composition; and fears about equipment and gear mishaps on the race course. We share our thoughts and experiences navigating these fears and helpful strategies that have helped us overcome them as athletes and coaches. Check it out!

Coaching and training insights:

  • Katie:

    • Thoughts on training at altitude 

      • HR - up, perceived effort - up, sleep - disturbed

      • Return to sea level - feel great!

    • Reset days in practice -- Pay attention to Oura ring data from the last couple of weeks on physiological stress during the day

      • How it measures stress during the day: HR, HRV, motion, body temp. Important guide but not data alone doesn’t reflect your holistic well being.

      • Saying no to more things (if it’s not a hell yes, it’s a no)

      • You don’t have to be productive all of the time 

    • 2 insights from strength training:

      • Hill running - great for strength and speed work.

      • AA strength training story with weighted step ups - don’t forget to breathe when strength training.

  • Jim:

    • Concussion:  Importance of wiping workouts off the training plan no matter how much you want to bump your fitness and focus on serious recovery.  Niggles / slight injuries can often be healed or prevented from being bigger issues if you just clear your plate for 2 - 3 days. 

    • Started to experiment with a new run cues / technique program from the Innerrunner - Lawrence van Lingen.  I signed up for the free 10 RUNNING CUES TO TRANSFORM YOUR RUNNING  Especially enjoy the shift forward from the hips, not lean forward from the ankles cue.  Also incorporating backward walking into my warmup and the “awesomizer” hip opening exercises.

    • Check out: 4 Drills to Improve Your Running Form, with Lawrence van Lingen

Ironman (or any long distance) racing and training fear topics:

Today we have a special episode thanks to our listeners. We reached out to you for questions on fears in training and racing. And you responded with important and thoughtful questions.  Every one of these questions and comments is something that we have all felt at one time or another in our athletic journey.

The questions were varied across all aspects of our endurance activities.  To help us categorize the questions, it might be helpful to summarize the five major areas of concentration for training and racing.  These are:

1) Training / Conditioning - the actual workouts themselves, getting you aerobically and metabolically fit, durable and race ready. 

2) Mental Training - training and racing mental skills, cultivating a mastery mindset, balancing passion vs obsession, confidence, persistence, grit, patience. Facing fears and seeing them as opportunities for growth.

3) Technique / Skills - this can range from swimming technique to run drills to bike handling to race skills. As triathletes we have many skills to acquire across all sports and racing. 

4) Nutrition / Health - covering everything from health and proper day to day nutrition and hydration to training and racing fueling. 

5) Equipment / Gear - we love our gear!  And we also need to know how to use and maintain our gear (more thoughts on that later). 

We think of these above as interlocking circles like the Olympic rings, each one related and connected to each other. And they all collate up into one big ring which is endurance racing.
Or think of them as all ingredients in a soup that are combined into one pot which is racing. Some soups will be just right, others may need ingredient enhancements in order to balance the flavor and palatability.

Each question tends to hit multiple rings but we have categorized each question in their primary category. 

1) Training / Conditioning:

  • Catastrophic injury: Two types of injuries -- acute/traumatic and overuse. Overuse injuries usually give you warning signs, refer to our injury prevention episode and be in tune with your body and in communication with your coach to avoid these.

    • Acute/traumatic are scarier - think bike crash, etc. 

    • Jim: April 2019 IM LP mattress moving story. Popped a disc. Super hard not to feel like all the training and effort was wasted but it wasn’t. I eventually recovered and was super fit going into the remainder of the summer.  A setback but not a fatality.

    • Katie: how we manage this fear: life is dangerous. Driving your car is dangerous, walking down the street, etc. All we can really do is (1) take a bunch of precautions for safety and (2) do your best to make sure that your sport is not the only thing in your life that matters. When healthy it can help to ask yourself, what would I do if tomorrow I couldn’t do my sport? If you can’t come up with any answers, then you may want to make a change and re-evaluate.

  • Balance / trade offs between training and other aspects of life such as social, family; related is being thought of as selfish. Relates back to Season Planning and getting your family / support crew on board with your goals. 

    • Recommend The Passion Paradox by Brad Stulberg & Steve Magness. 

    • A few key takeaways: 

      • Harmonious passion (internal drive, love for what you're doing) is associated with improved health, performance, and life satisfaction. 

      • Obsessive passion (external validation, love of results) is associated with burnout, anxiety, and depression.

    • Balance is overrated. There are times to go all in. But then you need to be self-aware to not turn passion into obsession. Check yourself before you wreck yourself. 

    • Katie -- “balance is bullshit’’ / life as a pendulum 

    • After your race is over, reflect on the mastery mindset and practices that helped you achieve your goal. You can use that same drive and process toward other goals and projects. 

  • Not knowing where I should be fitness wise at various stages of training. Am I falling behind to reach my race goals. How to tell progression?

    • We often do a fitness test - 2 x 10 run test and FTP test right before starting the Specific Prep phase so we have an accurate picture of where Base training has delivered you. And/or sign up for a local race as this provides great organic fitness testing. 

    • From these tests, we develop run pace charts and proper % of FTP intervals for your Spec Prep phase workouts. 

    • Race Simulations give us three chances to test out these paces and percentages along with nutrition / hydration tactics/strategies. 

    • If in doubt where you are at, talk to your coach.  We have a very good sense of where you are at based on your training, history and race goals.

  • How to maximize training while traveling

    • Jim: Usually I move the opposite direction with most of my athletes and use travel as a time to recover or do the minimum effective dose. Travel, whether business or personal, is stressful and busy.  With that said, I have some road warrior athletes who make it work regardless of what city they are in.  They are mentally strong to do their workout on a hotel spin bike! 

    • Katie: map routes and search for pools/gyms etc. beforehand to eliminate the stressor of figuring it all out 

2) Technique / Skills:

  • Drowning / open water swimming / things biting me in the water (equally a technique/skills and mental training topic)

    • Open water is unique in triathlon as it hits on four of the above rings or buckets: 

      • Physical - Training enough to swim the full race distance.

      • Mental - With any swimming, it’s a battle between your amygdala and your prefrontal cortex. One part of your brain is screaming it's not natural to have your head in the water and the other part of your brain is saying it’s safe, logical and a necessary part of your sport. Add deep, dark water to the equation and it’s a real brain challenge. 

      • Skills - being able to naturally sight every 7 - 10 strokes and read the water, light conditions and navigation while avoiding dozens to hundreds of my fellow participants.  

      • Gear - purchasing the correct wetsuit and goggles that allow you to express your fitness and skills.  

      • No wonder this is one tough nut to crack!

    • Ideally, during the Specific Prep phase we get into the open water at least 3 - 5 times before your race. Familiarity will breed comfort. We can also practice a lot with your wetsuit in the pool so that it opens up / becomes more comfortable.  During the last 12 weeks before your A race, you should practice open water sighting in the pool at least once a week. 

  • Non-wetsuit legal swims

    • Ironman has a high desire to run every race as a wetsuit race. They don’t want 1,500 people swimming without the safety and protection of a wetsuit

    • We will practice a lot of non-wetsuit race like simulations in the pool, mostly distance sets and open water sighting

    • If you know your race will be non-wetsuit, practice in the open water without one (always with a swim safety buoy).  Even better get some of your friends to join to practice a group start and drafting. 

  • Transitions: Not knowing what to do or feeling lost race day

    • Yes, transition areas can be confusing at first. Ideally you will take 5 minutes before your race to walk through transition to notice the swim in / bike out & bike in / run out flow.  I like to physically walk through the various entrances and exits, visualizing the flow of the transition.  They are actually very logical and the flow will make sense to you once you are there.  (Transition maps are really hard to read and understand!)

    • And we practice transitions before each race so you are familiar with helmet/bike shoes on, running with your bike out of transition and mounting at the start line. And then reverse that: dismount at line, run in with bike, take off helmet, bike shoes and put on run shoes and race belt (along with any other gear you want to bring on the run).

  • Riding too hard up Hills in a race, training with poor form/habits (especially when you are training alone 90% of the time)

    • We encourage our athletes to learn race skills by racing.  For example if you are an IM or HIM racer, ideally you will have done 2 - 3 shorter races before your “A” event. Racing will teach you racing, there is no substitute.  Even a local 5K will teach you something about racing. It is a rich learning environment. 

    • As coaches we are looking at your interval splits so important on some key workouts to hit your lap button. If you find that you are not pacing well or overcooking your first few intervals and then fading hard, talk to your coach. 

    • Swimming poorly during a race is very common. This is why we emphasize a lot of open water sighting practice in the pool in the Specific Prep phase and even using your wetsuit in the pool for part of your workout.

  • 3) Nutrition / Health: 

    • Proper race fueling and potential catastrophic GI issues

      • Importance of testing all nutrition / hydration during training

      • Have Plan A & B for nutrition on race day. Very common for the product and/or flavor you always train with to not be very palatable on race day. Have a backup flavor and/or products.
        If IM, use your bike and run special needs bags to have multiple nutrition options.

    • Changing body / less control of physique when optimizing for performance instead of aesthetics

      • Thinking about fitness as a feeling

4) Psychology / Mental Training: 

  • In our Life Stress Score (LSS) episode, we touched on developing a meditation or a mindfulness practice.  Developing our mental skills isn’t a marginal gain, it’s a maximal gain and its importance is equal to physical training. 

  • Mindfulness is paying attention, in a particular way, in the present moment and non-judgmentally.

  • Mindfulness helps us manage training and racing challenges such as performance anxiety, racing emotions, enhance focus and concentration, and summon the willingness to endure during difficult moments.

  • But the key is you have to treat mindfulness just as you treat physical training. Day in, day out, dedicated practice. Like physical training, consistent mental training builds mental fitness over time, drip by drip.

  • The longer your event, the more important mental skills training seems to play a role.  Ironically the longer your event, often this is the first practice to get dropped as who has time?! Your mind is a muscle and it needs time to practice. 

  • Jasmin Paris, the first women finisher of the Barkley Marathons credits self belief as a major component to her recent accomplishment. 

  • As we work through the following questions, we’ll add our insights as coaches and athletes and encourage you to supplement our experience and advice with a regular, mental training practice.  As a reminder we are not sport psychologists, we just play one on podcasts! We encourage everyone to reach out to a professional for a deeper understanding.

  • Not performing to potential / falling short (sub topics: A/B/C goals; setting realistic goals; “secret goals”)

    • Related: Feeling like I’ve put a ton of energy into getting better at something and then not getting better.

      • Endurance training is often very slight, subtle changes until it’s not. You could go months without feeling much faster / fitter and then one day it just pops through to the next level.  Unfortunately we never know when that day will arrive. That’s part of the allure and part of the frustration. 

      • Endurance athletes need to be optimistic by nature.

      • Endurance athletes need to view big events as challenges not as threats. You can write out your negative thoughts and then replace them with positive ones. 

    • Not having enough gas at the end and not able to get through the finish line! // Crapping out on course 

      • Pacing is such a critical skill. Once you nail it, you’ll really be able to express your fitness. 

      • Doubt is a very natural feeling. But think back on all the hard work and commitment.

    • Not finishing; in races / long training sessions, I've had my bad inner monologue tease me with the idea of not finishing. "No need to go up the hill, just turn around and call it." "Here's where the marathon and half marathon fork; just do the half-marathon, that's enough." 

      • Start working on your inner dialogue in training nearly every day and particularly during the last 12 weeks before your A race. 

      • Develop some breathwork/visualization/affirmations or other such empowering tools. 

      • Humans tend to be bad at predicting the future. When many athletes drop from a race they tend to regret it a few minutes later. It’s natural to be discouraged in the moment and feel like it’s just too hard.  But just by being aware of that emotion, you can take a more objective perspective on race day decisions.  You aren’t your negative thoughts and emotions.  You are a committed, well-trained athlete who can go the distance!

      • I’ve started to use the mantra: “It’s a privilege to suffer” or “this is what I came here for, this is where I’m supposed to be”

    • Additional Resources: 

(5) Equipment / Gear: 

  • Bike mechanical

    • Get curious about your bike. Start with wiping it down after every ride. Every good carpenter knows their tools. This is your craft, know your tools well. 

    • Lube your chain before every (or after) every ride

    • Watch YouTube videos on bike maintenance

    • Learn how to change a tire - this will be a game changer psychologically

    • Have a Plan A & B if something like a power meter is not working.

    • The reality is that very few things go wrong on the bike. The most common occurrence is a flat tire (which you will know how to change because you are prepared!)

Listener Questions:

  • What should we think about when moving workouts? 

    • Don’t do hard things back to back, except a Sunday long run on tired legs is OK / encouraged

    • Avoid heavy lifting the day before hard sessions 

    • Give yourself an easier day before a weekend brick workout

    • If you are moving something due to travel, consider taking an extra Day Off that week. Organic recovery.

  • Why do we taper / how do we think about designing the perfect taper?

    • Endurance athletes are experts at ignoring chronic fatigue!  We are almost always up for more.  

    • Taper: shed chronic fatigue, heal niggles, heal up your aerobic system (about 10 days) in order to go deep. 

    • Principle: Rather be 10% undertrained than 1% overtrained

    • It takes courage to taper.  Ignore all the FB race pages, most are littered with people doing their biggest workouts a week before the race.

Challenge of the week: 

  • Katie: Say no to one thing that isn’t a hell yes 

  • Jim: Compliment or thank a service worker

Gear pick of the week

Episode 23: Interview with Susan Savage, Pioneer Athlete and Coach

This week’s episode is a special one for us. We got to interview an everyday hero, Elena’s high school cross country coach and chemistry teacher, Susan “Coach” Savage. A self-declared Title IX baby, Coach Savage grew up running with the boys before her talent finally convinced the Pittsburgh City Schools to start a girls track program. She went on to run on scholarship for West Virginia University, before eventually settling in Ohio to start a 40+ year career as a standout high school cross country and track coach and chemistry teacher. We chat about overcoming early obstacles as a woman in sport, developing her wise coaching philosophy, and listening to your body as a lifelong athlete. We already know Coach Savage has had a tremendous impact on the hundreds of athletes she’s coached, and, as a pioneer for women in sport who’s always flown under the radar, we’re honored to share her story and wisdom!

Some books Coach Savage mentioned in the podcast:

Lessons in Chemistry by Bonnie Garmus

The Change by Kirsten Miller

Episode 22: Life Stress Score (LSS)

This episode is all about one of the terms we use the most as coaches: Life Stress Score (LSS). Like Training Stress Score (TSS), we think of LSS as a way to quantify the mental and emotional toll brought on by life being hard, and our goal as coaches is to help you manage training and performance through periods of high LSS. We cover what LSS is, how to track it, why to track it, how to manage it, and how to adapt training when LSS is high. We also go over a bunch of really fun coaching and training insights, celebrate Katie finishing her PhD, answer listener questions, and share some favorite gear items. This is a fun one!

Extended show notes:

Coaching and Training Insights

Katie:

  • The power of napping! // How to nap like a pro 

  • The days are getting longer and we all feel amazing! We recommend trying to get outside for your workouts when you can (I think some people get so accustomed to sitting on the trainer and running on the treadmill that they are scared to get outside / think it won’t be quality training. News flash: you race outside!) -- this is especially true on the weekend when you have more time to be out during daylight hours and can get your work done outside.

    • Jim: Good time to purchase the bike you will ride for the race season or service current bike.  Make sure you are visible: front and rear light, bright clothing.

  • Many folks asking about nutrition guidelines. Defer to our episode with Cate Ward to start and loop in a dietician if you need, but here are four golden rules of triathlete/endurance nutrition:

    • 3 meals / 3 snacks

    • No fasted training 

    • Carbs before, carbs + protein immediately after, healthy fats and throughout the day

    • Fuel during for activities over 75 minutes 

    • If you think you’re missing the mark, get blood work and supplement as needed and/or loop in a dietician 

  • Swimming as part fitness, part technique, but also a big part mobility 

Jim:

  • Athletes are starting to get fit from solid winter training. (Are you seeing this?) 
    I’ve had two athletes recently do our 2 x 10’ run test and both improved their threshold run pace by ~30”. Another athlete increased their FTP by 40 watts. 

    • A couple of keys: We tested last year which means these athletes had at least another 6 months of consistent Z2 training. It takes time to make this type of fundamental jump in fitness. 

    • Many athletes find testing stressful so I tend to test less often than maybe some other coaches. And I want to encourage everyone to be patient and realize that you just need a certain level of training volume to really move the threshold needles.

    • And since we aren’t doing lactate testing in a performance lab, it can be hard to pick up small fitness improvements with these backyard science tests. There are many variables we can’t control or account for in our standard 2 x 10’ run test or a FTP test. (What’s your general approach on testing?)

    • Another great way to test your winter fitness is to sign up for local 5Ks, local sprints/OLY, bike races, etc.  These are great ways to serve as organic run/FTP tests.  Races often reflect our best effort and those are the levels we like to plan around for your “A” races. 

  • Aerobic downhill intervals. Once we get a decent run base in your legs, you can start playing with these on every run.  It’s a game of how fast can you run while still maintaining Z2 HR and good to even better form.

    • Start with 1’ - 2’ downhill.

    • Focus on good foot turnover.

    • Don’t overstride, easy to overstride going downhill.

    • Keep HR within Z2. 

    • Play with arm swing and lean to try to get the most efficient run pace while keeping HR in low to mid Z2.  Think of it as run play.

    • Remember the goal in all three sports is velocity i.e., speed.  The fastest person over swim/bike/run wins regardless of watts, heart rate, perceived effort, etc.

  • This one is a shout out to all my athletes. I’m continually inspired by our athletes. Every morning, I sit down to review all my athletes training from the evening and early morning. I’ll see workouts from the late afternoon / early evening and then that same athlete may have already done a spin in the early morning before work.  It’s very inspiring to see people working consistently toward a goal and unlocking their inner masterpiece. 

    • Katie: have especially been noticing this as I’m on pacific time, I wake up and I have 50 notifications every day from all of my athletes on the east coast getting after it!

Main Topic:

Jim: As a way of introducing our topic today, race season is getting close. Some of our athletes are already doing Race Simulations as they are 12 or 8 weeks out from their first races. These are perfect days to test our physical and metabolic fitness as well as test race gear.
Race Sims are an example of a good type of stress which is called Eustress. Eustress, in the context of exercise, is usually about feeling challenged but also doable and leads to strengthening and growth. Tough workouts, like Race Sims, can send you to the edge of your abilities but they can also leave you happy and confident.

Also, big goals, long training blocks, and races are examples of opportunities to experience eustress. But they are also opportunities to experience distress - the unhealthy stress.

Adding fuel to the distress fire, most of our athletes are high achievers. Type AAA. They tend to be amped as a natural default. This is our blessing and our curse. The dark side of all of this ambition and drive is we sometimes shift from eustress to distress. Distress can become the center stage of our lives. If you can relate, we have an episode for you today! 
Katie: In last week’s episode on Good Data, Bad Data, we outlined TrainingPeaks Training Stress Score or TSS.  TSS aims to capture the physiological load of a workout based on time and intensity. TSS rolls up into other metrics that help us understand short and long term fitness and fatigue metrics and trends. It’s a very useful tool for both athletes and coaches. 
Jim: Many years ago, in my early coaching career, I began to notice that TSS was only one piece of the athlete puzzle. We were quantifying the load on the body but not necessarily on the mind or the holistic body. As I saw athletes struggle with workouts and the plan, it was often not the workouts themselves but rather life circumstances that made training difficult or impossible.  As we know, normal daily life is full of stress and anxiety both professional and personal. In fact, these are the biggest factors in how much an athlete can progress that day/week/month and year. 

We needed a new data metric to capture life’s daily stress, or distress, and thus Life Stress Score or LSS was born.

Katie: In today’s episode we are going to deep dive into what is LSS, its impact, how to track it, and most importantly, how to manage or reduce it.

  • LSS is one of the trademark terms of the Endurance Drive (not copyrighted yet but it should be), a universal experience, and something we think about a lot when we plan out our own training and our athletes’ training 

  • What is LSS?

    • Life stress score

    • Training stress score captures physical strain (difference between fitness and fatigue). LSS captures mental/emotional strain brought on by life being hard 

    • Some things that can contribute to high LSS: travel, negative emotions (anxiety, uncertainty), stress from work, stress from family, stress from relationships, disappointing things happening, tragedies (both close to home and in the world)...anything that works against you feeling calm, cool, and collected 

    • Keep in mind: STRESS is STRESS is STRESS. Physical and mental/emotional stress impact your body in the same way.

  • On the science side, LSS usually parallels / reflects high cortisol

    • Cortisol: stress hormone that is produced and released by your adrenals

    • What cortisol does: suppress inflammation in all of your bodily tissues and control metabolism in your muscles, fat, liver and bones; regulate blood sugar, blood pressure; impacts sleep-wake cycle 

    • You need some cortisol! All about the right balance (example: too low cortisol -- fatigue, low blood pressure, etc.) 

  • How does LSS impact training?

    • When LSS is high:

      • Sleep is impacted → recovery is impacted

      • Anecdotally, we see RHR go up, HRV go down, immunity goes down, training response goes down, HR is higher than it should be during workouts, workouts feel extra challenging, etc.

      • Often we have also had athletes experience more GI issues when stress is high, with or without activity 

      • There is often a direct correlation between stress and injury. The body is a highly tuned being. When we have stress or negative emotions this creates wrinkles in the neurological pathways. This millisecond detour is just enough time to create a misstep in training, particularly running. 

      • Jim: For me I notice this trail running. It is a highly coordinated and challenging activity and almost all of my stumbles are preceded by some negative thought or emotion. 

    • The key: LSS can compromise training adaptations *independently* of big volume or intensity 

  • How can you track LSS?

    • You can usually feel it when LSS is high, although this can manifest differently for different people (anxious feelings, depressed feelings, generally feeling ‘on edge,’ feeling exhausted even if sleeping)

      • Katie -- For me can manifest as stress in upper back and/or chest pain 

    • Metabolism may feel off -- hunger cues may be different/disrupted, may be hard to sleep through the night 

    • Objective indicators -- back to data:

      • RHR

      • HRV

      • Sleep quantity and quality

      • Some workout metrics (HR, perceived effort)

    • Also: be realistic about what is going on with your life and share with coach 

  • Why should you reduce LSS? (Jim)  From an athletic standpoint: 

    • Relaxed muscles are more fluid and contribute to greater coordination, strength and endurance. 

    • Relaxed bodies react more quickly. Anxiety, fear and tension inhibit your reaction time. A relaxed athlete wil react to challenging race conditions more quickly and make better decisions.  Think late in a race when confronted with unexpected obstacles and conditions. You want to be in a relaxed state so you make the best race decision.

    • Relaxed bodies burn less energy by keeping stress in check. Tension contracts blood vessels, inhibiting blood flow to the muscles and causing fatigue.

    • Relaxation lowers blood lactate. High lactate levels inhibit performance. 

    • When relaxed, your concentration and focus improve, positively affecting your confidence. And with that you are more likely to reach your highest potential in your workout or race.

  • How can you reduce LSS?

    • Like with TSS -- you need mental recovery and/or higher mental fitness to change the equation 

    • Mental recovery is key: switch to easy / AR training only, take time off dedicated training plan, do what you like to do (trails, yoga, etc.); focus on joy and community through movement 

    • Mental fitness to ward against LSS impacting you a lot: meditation/breathwork/journaling/therapy etc. -- useful all the time, but doesn’t work on its own / must reduce life stress. A few recommendations:

    • App recommendation: Headspace

    • Book recommendations:
      The Brave Athlete: Calm the F--k Down and Rise to the Occasion by Simon Marshall and Lesley Paterson.

    • Wherever You Go, There You Are - Amazon book

    • Wherever You Go, There You Are - Spotify audio (free with Premium)

    • There Is No Right Way to Meditate - Amazon (super fun short, illustrated book)

    • The Physiological Sigh - one long deep inhale through the nose, hold, then another short (snort) inhale and then long exhale. Real time stress management.

  • Incorporate other things that bring you joy and community: good food, time with friends, time with family, etc.

  • Listen to music. Classical music is my go to. 

  • Comedy / laughter is great medicine.

  • Instead of self help, help others. Give back to the community.

  • How do we think about LSS as coaches / how should you factor LSS into training?

    • Keep open dialogue (anecdote: Katie talk about rolling out weekly mental health check-in survey with U25 athletes; disclaimer that a coach is not a therapist but can use information about your life for training context)

    • Adapt training plan (more easy, AR, days off, unstructured adventure time, etc.)

  • Upshot:

    • Really honoring LSS earlier this year → key to race day success for me at Placid? (ie skipping race sim, a bunch of time on trails, etc.)

Listener questions:

  • Katie: what is your dissertation about? :)

  • When to do strength workouts? Before or after cardio? 

    • Usually after, unless in off season 

    • Often it can be useful to do on the same day as big sessions so you can keep easy days easy -- i.e. on a speed day on Tues. Avoid after Thursday so you can protect the weekend

  • Super shoes - how much to run in them?

    • According to Bu, not much as the carbon plate shuts off using the small muscles in your foot. If your foot does not get a stimulus, you will initially be fast but the super shoe effect will stop you from getting a run stimulus. 

    • You can do some training in “high efficiency” shoes but how much is still unclear from science.

    • Our recommendation is to do just a few key sessions in them to ensure they fit and don’t blister on race day but the majority of your training and key sessions should be in normal, training shoes.

    • Katie: Hoka Carbon X story

Challenge of the week:

  • Katie: Journaling practice -- useful in times of high LSS to journal for 5 minutes before you go out for a run so you can leave any negative thoughts/feelings/emotions behind and still be present in the workout

  • Jim:  Take the last 5’ of ride or run and think of one thing you are grateful for while taking in some deep, conscious breaths. Reduce that LSS! 

Gear pick of the week: 

Episode 21: Leadership and Life Wisdom with Gina des Cognets

This week's episode is one of our all-time favorites. We're joined by Gina des Cognets, Senior Director of Organizational Development at Strava, a life and leadership coach, and one of our most valued athletes at the Endurance Drive. Gina joins Katie and Elena to share her wisdom and practical strategies for success when it comes to valuing excellence, non-linear career paths, "mid-life moments" and listening to your gut, balance as bullsh*t, focusing on your strengths, naming your inner critic, reframing your narrative, and taking on big challenges in both athletics and life. We also talk about her work in leadership at Strava. Everyone needs a Gina in their life, and we're so pumped to get to share her insights with our whole audience. Thank you Gina!

Extended show notes:

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Episode 20: Good Data and Bad Data

Coaching & Training Insights

Katie:

  • The idea of “reset days” 

    • Sometimes if you’re in a rut with training (or life), can help to take 1-2 days that are focused on total health 

    • Think of it as mental health day meets rest day from training

    • Often our Monday rest days are still very busy or stressful with work and other commitments → we may shed some physical fatigue but we are still being worked

    • What to do on a reset day:

      • Clear your calendar if you can

      • Sleep in

      • Avoid working

      • Avoid traditional training (swim/bike/run/strength). Alternative Z1 movement or choice fun fitness are encouraged (hike, paddle, easy ski, yoga, etc.)

      • Make time for the things that fill you up: time with loved ones, good food, watch a movie, early bedtime, etc.

    • If you think you need a reset day, talk to your coach!

Jim: I like the reset day a lot. One from a physiological perspective and the other from a psychological standpoint.

  • From the physiological side, recovery and Reset days are important to lower cortisol levels which, if they are continually high, result in higher levels of insulin, which shuts down fat burning and is a possible precursor to diabetes.  Also increased cortisol levels lessen gains from strength training(i.e., no new muscle growth), increase bone fractures, sleep is difficult and your overall energy level drops. Which is to say, you’ll feel horrible in the short term and possibly have long term health consequences.  

  • Recovery and Reset days help invoke your parasympathetic nervous system,  allowing you to relax, sleep better and lower cortisol. These days will also increase hormones that signal to your brain and heart that you are not in crisis mode, promote sleep, muscle and tissue repair and keep your immune system strong.

  • From a psychological standpoint, reset and recovery days are important particularly if you tend to be a performance-based identity athlete - one who thinks of their worth or identity as linked to how fast you swim/bike/run in workouts and/or races. (Does this ring a bell for anyone?!)  Reset days will give you the space to focus on other parts of your life that are truly meaningful and important. 


Katie: Athletes working busy full time jobs -- making time for lunch is CRUCIAL especially if you are working out in the evening. One athlete recently was feeling low energy in evening sessions and part of it stemmed back to not being able to eat lunch until 3-4pm. Calories are critical but so is timing, so make sure you’re not going long stretches without food to keep blood sugar stable. Frequent snacks FTW!

Katie: My athletes are CRUSHING the fueling game! Some quotes:

  • “I’ve never fueled that frequently before (I did it by the 20-25 minute time interval, getting in around the 25/45/1:05/1:25 marks) and I didn’t feel sick or fatigued by the end like I sometimes do”

  • “Dude fueling like that HITS DIFFERENT. Like I was going 30s faster than my usual z2 pace on the run without thinking about it”

Jim:

Long distance training requires athlete independence and equal parts interdependence on your support crew - family, friends, work colleagues.  And as the races/events get longer, each one of those qualities must expand equally and proportionally. 

  • Related interesting phenomenon: In the beginning of a race you are often a hard-driving, independent, ego-eccentric athlete. And as the long race day unfolds, you move toward being an interdependent human being. 

  • As you physically and mentally wear down, your self and ego barriers lower and you begin to open up to receiving help and community support. This is where race volunteers and family and friends on course help get you to the finish line. Move from me to we.

A different type of fitness: One of my Ironman athletes commented that they just feel a different type of fitness than from when they were just marathon training. They now feel more robust, durable and balanced. They may not be running as fast as marathon training but they just feel better overall.  This is a great insight and got me thinking about there are different types of fitness, each type makes you feel a bit different than the other.

I primarily focus on the physical side of training but have recently started to dive deep on the mental side of performance such as flow, in the zone, being present, etc. Ask any athlete; they want to reach peak performance in training and especially on race day. 

  • Many of the challenges my athletes face are less physical and more mental. As coaches, we always say it’s fairly easy to get someone fit. We know how to do this.  But it’s not always easy to get through the rigorous training process and show up mentally race ready.  I want to upgrade my mental skills toolbox to help athletes unlock and remove the mental barriers.

  • Relatedly, I’m listening to the Norwegian Method podcast and it’s interesting to note how many times Coach Olav Aleksander Bu, coach of Kristian Blummenfelt and Gustav Iden, mentioned being mindful and present as a key to executing workouts. This is an investment in your present and future performance.

  • In sum, treating the body and mind as one unit will become a big focus for me in 2024. I’m super excited.

Main topic: 

Good data and bad data. As athletes and coaches, we have SO much data at our disposal. It can help you out or drive you crazy. Our goal today is to break down what data is useful and what data you should ignore. We’re going to play a game called good data or bad data, where we answer whether each of several different types of data is good or bad. 

Is HEART RATE good data or bad data?  

  • HR zone training: zone 2, lactate threshold, max HR, etc.

  • Resting heart rate

  • Heart rate variability / HRV 

  • Is HR data useful during strength workouts? Swimming?

  • *HR data only useful if accurate. Chest strap!

TrainingPeaks data? 

  • TSS: What is it and how do we use it?

  • The importance of zone data being correct

  • How do we think about these values for an Ironman athlete?

  • What are the limits of these values?

Stuff that Garmin says: 

  • Garmin Performance Condition? No! Ignore it. 

  • Garmin Training Status and Training Readiness. No.

  • Garmin Recovery (hours). No.

  • Garmin Heat and Altitude Acclimation. No.

    • If your race is hot, we can work with you on a sauna protocol and other heat adapting tactics. 

  • Garmin tells me I’m altitude adapted to 2500 feet when most of my training is at 1,000 feet and anything under 3500 feet is probably irrelevant.

  • Garmin Lactate Threshold? Perhaps. Need to look into this more. There are common algorithms to determine threshold levels they may be using.

  • Garmin VO2 Max? It might be one of the few data pieces that may be somewhat correct. 

  • Garmin Weather warnings! Does Garmin think my 520 bike computer is my main weather source? I’m honored they give me a warning that a winter or wind storm is coming in 18 hours so I can wrap up my 16 hour ride safely. 

In sum, Garmin’s artificial intelligence is less intelligent and more artificial. 
Run-specific metrics: 

  • HR

  • Pace

  • Cadence 

  • Do we use run power? 

  • Do we use stride length, ground contact time, etc.? 

    • Note that maybe these are useful but they pale in comparison to the big ones (HR, pace, etc.) 

    • Stride length is a function of run strength and mobility which are addressed via run drills, hill repeats, gym work, etc. Do not try to consciously increase your stride while running!

    • Ground Contact Time can be useful to remind yourself to pick up your cadence. But, like stride length, don’t focus on it per se while running.  

    • Stride length, ground contact time, run cadence and vertical oscillation vary greatly depending on the run terrain. They are highly variable over a hill run.  Maybe more useful on a track where variables are controlled. 

  • We don’t use programmed Garmin run workouts! 

Bike-specific metrics: 

  • Average Power and Normalized Power (what is it?) 

  • HR

  • Cadence 

  • Speed - very terrain dependent. Not useful most of the time.

  • Total time, total distance 

  • Also: reminder to get a bike fit!

Swim-specific metrics: 

  • Most important swim metric = form! Visual data 

  • Ignore HR. We use pace the most here.

  • Stroke rate? In some instances. Can take years and a lot of effort to change stroke rate.

  • SWOLF? NO! Swim golf is a downstream metric that does not address the root causes of swimming well. 

Sleep data: 

  • Garmin vs. Oura vs. Whoop, etc.

    • In my experience, Oura > Garmin for accuracy 

    • Body battery, readiness score, etc. has all been useful but not the end-all be-all  

  • HR and HRV during sleep

Some big take-home points:

  • Overall feeling is not always captured in your Garmin. Trust your body.

  • Injuries and niggles also are not always captured. (Injured athletes will often see their stats look “prime” for heavy training since they are not moving as much -- this is the worst thing you can do.) If injured, ditch the watch and Strava.

  • LSS (life stress score) is not always captured (sometimes with HRV, resting HR, sleep, etc.) but not always. Keep your coach updated on how you are doing and what modifications you may need to make.

  • Most useful data for us: heart rate, power, pace, sleep, but need to be used together and holistically rather than individually. Remember the intention of the workout.

  • Always useful to go data-free every so often, especially during the off season, to reduce personal reliance on the data. 

  • Data often gets in the way of play. Your sport should be fun, no pressure. Play like a child - uninhibited, no fear of other people’s opinion (FOPO) and be present.

  • Instead of data driving practice or performance, try imagery; watch videos of good swimmers/runners/cyclists. This provides an implicit, visual learning opportunity to imprint on how the best perform in their sport. 

    • Something you can try:  pretend you are playing the role in a movie of one of these professional athletes while doing your sport and mimic their movements. You’ll probably find that you will move smoothly with less effort and more flow. Unconscious, visual learning is very powerful.

  • Communication with your coach is the best data you can produce.

Challenge of the week:

  • Katie: Take in protein + carbs within 5 mins of finishing your workout!

  • Jim: Daily, drink one more glass or water bottle than you normally would. The benefits of hydration are numerous and as endurance athletes, we are all probably a little, or a lot, dehydrated. 

Listener questions:

  • How to make TT position more comfortable? (Question from someone who did get a bike fit)

    • You should be on sit bones towards front of saddle

    • Comfy bike shorts and chamois cream -- note the combo of shorts and saddle is crucial. I wear different combo for TT bike and road bike to maximize comfort. 

    • On zwift, be in aero for specific intervals but not for the whole ride. Example: WU and primer out of aero, 3 x 10’ HM in aero, out of aero between, out of aero for cool down.

    • Reminder: For outdoor riding, we recommend only being in aero if >15 mph (or <30 mph generally). 

  • Treadmill paces are always off compared to Garmin. What metrics should we use?

    • For zone 2 on the treadmill, I go for time in Z2 rather than pace, so if a 5 mi run takes you roughly 45 mins outside, just do 45’ of Zone 2 HR on the treadmill.

    • You can similarly adjust the treadmill to perceived effort and HR for pick ups, etc. 

    • We don’t recommend trying to simulate track workouts on a treadmill unless (1) you REALLY have to or (2) you know your treadmill’s pace is accurate.

    • Also: Get a fan.

  • Should I buy a road or TT helmet?

    • We prefer to use road helmets for training and racing.  A few reasons: a) most races are in quite hot conditions and thermoregulation is often more important than saving a few seconds and b) road helmets are more comfortable and c) many road helmets now are nearly, or just as aero, as a number of TT helmets.

Gear pick of the week:


Episode 19: How It Makes Us Feel (Female Athlete Stories #5)

This is the last episode of our five-episode series that covers the perspectives and experiences that we crowdsourced from our community about the rewards and challenges that female athletes face. Here, we're pulling out themes related to how it makes us feel: strong, capable, and badass, but also unwelcome, unworthy, or unrelatable, depending on the context. We talk about how being a female endurance athlete impacts other domains of life (professional, family, etc.), how endurance training interacts with mental health, how endurance pursuits feed into feelings of being an underdog or being selfish, and a whole lot more. We also preview where we're going next with the Female Athlete Stories segment of the podcast. Thanks for listening!

Resources we mentioned in the show:

Banff Film Festival, film with Hilaree Nelson

Episode 18: Interview with Endurance Drive Coach Kevin Prunty

In this week's episode, we welcome our very own Coach Kevin Prunty onto the podcast to talk about his introduction into sport, the role competitive lacrosse and a career-ending concussion played in shaping his trajectory as an endurance athlete, the importance of family and support networks, his experience qualifying for Kona at his first Ironman in Lake Placid, his launch of KPI Training and inspiring others through social media, his thoughts on marathon training and strength training, and so much more.

Extended show notes:

Coaching & Training Insights: 

  • Katie: Revisiting the downhill skiing topic - it’s a hard workout!

  • Jim: Thoughts on bike fitting (shout out to Ian at FitWerx in Waitsfield, VT) and getting back in the pool.

Main Topic: Coach Kevin Prunty Interview

Background - where are you from, high school and college athletics.  

  • I am from Yorktown Heights, Westchester NY. Went to Lakeland High School, played football and lacrosse there. Ended up going to Siena College to play division 1 lacrosse

What attracted you to endurance sports coming from college team sports? 

  • I needed something to fill the void. 

  • I had a major concussion story and I had to take medical DQ at Siena

  • Became super into lifting and then it just snowballed into running etc.

What qualities did you bring from team sports into individualized endurance sport training and racing?

  • Good Q! I’d say the biggest thing is that you will never have “it” and be spot on every day. During lacrosse we’d practice / play 5-6 times a week? I’d have my A game for maybe 3 of those days. But still would show up and hustle my ass off the other 3.

  • Same for training in endurance, you will wake up some days and just feel like crap. Your HR is high, pace feels off, swim stroke feels terrible. ALL normal. Head down, give it your best and shake it off for the next session. 

Talk about experience growing up in Lake Placid and the impact that race had on you growing up. 

  • I used to just think it was not feasible to do that distance. It seems out of this world when you aren’t familiar with it. I grew up always seeing that weekend, and thought one day i will do itr

  • It was more of a traffic nuisance leaving!

  • I’ll never forget 2019. I was so hungover Sunday leaving, watching these people fly by on bikes. My life took a pretty quick turn at end of 2020, then 1 year later I was that guy flying past cars

  • In 2020, we quarantined in Lake Placid during COVID. 

  • In March I just started running, out of boredom. I ran 3 miles mid- March after only lifting for a while, then 5 weeks later I decided to just run a homemade marathon around the Lake. After that, I got home and said “alright I will do Ironman Lake Placid this year or next) 

Your story of doing your first triathlon  

  • First triathlon was Ironman Lake Placid and qualified for Kona. 

  • I started training with just the mindset of finishing. As months went by, I started thinking “Alright I think I'm doing well at this training thing”

  • Katie put me on a great plan and it was the most excited for a race I have ever been

  • Can talk about riding it on my aluminum road bike… lol

Family focus: You had an impressive family presence at your first IM LP.  It’s clear family is a big focus for you, your parents and extended family. Tell us about that. 

  • Family is everything for me. We have a big American/Irish family and that's how we were raised, always being surrounded by family

  • My friends that I grew up with are also like family. In 2021 all 13 of them drove up on Saturday, (4 hours) and then went back either Sunday or Monday night. 

  • My parents had people sleeping in hallways and all over the house for that one…

  • There's definitely sometimes where it is hard for them to understand what we do. And it is a different lifestyle. I do have to say no to some small stuff, but I always make sure I am around for any family or friend events that are going on. 

Run vs. triathlon training: As a triathlete, you had a particular focus on run training and racing. This year you are primarily focused on run training. How do you view the differences for training for a stand alone marathon vs triathlon run training? 

  • I think the principles are similar, but it's a big difference when you break it down. During Ironman Prep, we run maybe 3-4 times a week? Depending on the timeline

  • I think naturally I am a runner, and I adapt very quickly to discipline. I have been training for the Orange County Marathon since New Years, and have seen a big fitness bump since then in just 6 weeks. Whereas with swimming, it just takes so much longer to feel like your progressing

Are there workouts you do with run training that you wouldn’t do if you were training for an Ironman marathon?

  • For marathon prep, I am running 6-7 days a week. I can do much more intense sessions bc that is my main focus

  • I.e - I will do probably 2-3 sessions of 20+ miles, and 2-3 more of 17-18 miles. In an IM prep we only sniff 18 miles, maybe once.

Any advice for athletes who want to run a fall marathon coming off summer Ironman training and racing?

  • I think it is a perfect situation. You have this HUGE block of fitness from Ironman, and a big base. 

  • This is what I did in 2021 for NYC Marathon

  • Take 3-4 weeks of very chill / recovery (mental too), then hop into a run block. 

Strength training: You have a particular emphasis on strength training. Where did you learn the technique and benefits?

  • I became very close with Siena’s head Strength coach during my medical DQ. He saw that I lost a huge part of my life and college career, so he took me under his wing and I was there all the time. 

  • I came in freshman year at like 160, soaking wet. I put on 15 pounds in the 1st year

  • I learned how to fuel, and that calories were important

What do you see are the main benefits of strength training for an endurance athlete?  

  • I think it’s huge. It doesn’t have to be anything crazy either

  • During NICE prep I was still banged up, so I would do 1 day of kettlebells, lunges, rows, pushups, etc… then 1 mobility day. I think without that I would have gotten injured

  • Right now, i do 3 days a week of a lower/back, a mobility/bodyweight, and then an upper body day 

Balancing training and coaching with a demanding full time job: Your job, like many of our athletes, is quite demanding.  And you are famous amongst our tribe as getting up super early and getting in a big run/bike and swim or lift all before 7am.  

  • Took on a new role in September, so it certainly has been much busier, but I find that I can always control what happens in the morning. I know I can get in my training session, undisrupted, and it sets the tone for my day

  • I think 2023 I set that bar really high for myself, and never looked down 

How did you arrive at that type of discipline? 

  • I think it's just my organized and disciplined mindset. I know that it's in my control to get up, get my session in, get to work and be ready for the day. 

  • In college we would have 6 am practice a few days a week, but so that might have helped a little, but I think I have always been a morning guy

  • You hear the joke sometimes where people will talk about when they do that, “Oh I got up, I ran or lifted, went on my walk, did a few personal things before work, and you get there and you feel like you're ready to tackle anything” etc etc

Any advice for those trying to balance a busy life with long distance training?

  • Reverse Planning, and acting intentionally. 

  • If I know I have an 8am meeting, I will reverse plan my morning to make sure I am all set. Have everything ready the night before, lay out run clothes, gym bag / work clothes, etc etc etc

  • Acting intentionally is really the biggest thing. And I am by no means great on this everyday. I can slack sometimes, but overall I try to be intentional with everything. It saves so much time, and gets you A to B in the most efficient way possible.

Recovery: You’ve made recovery a major focus of your endurance lifestyle.  What are the primary techniques and focus areas to recover well?

  • Focus on stretching/ mobility

  • Support of Hanna and Physical Therapy

What is the number one recovery focus for you? 

  • Sleep and food! 

2024 Goals: What are you psyched about in 2024? 

  • Well first, I’m getting married in September so I guess that's my A Race!

  • I am really excited to race in California in 2 months. I am going to really push on this course, and put together a big 2 month block for it.  

  • Racing with two friends and athletes

  • After that, I’m excited to help my Placid crew get in A shape and ready for that course. 

  • Long bike rides, and get more on the hiking trails and golf course! 

  • NYC 2024 Marathon for fun and run w my brothers for a great cause

  • Long term 2025, I will be on the trails and getting ready for a big ultra race in Colorado… 

Listener Questions: 

Why do we do run drills?

  • To imprint proper run form. Think of running like swimming; it is a technique sport

  • Proper run form builds strength and durability.  There is a lot of free speed when you do 5 - 10’ of run drills regularly.  (Spent a summer doing run drills only because I was injured and came back to running with a 30” faster base pace.)

  • When it gets late in a race and you start to physically wear down, you can fall back on running well because you have practiced it many times.  Like I say in swimming, you don’t necessarily have to swim fast but you do have to swim well. The same applies for running, especially in a long distance race. 

  • When you are doing any run that is stressful a way to calm your mind is to focus on cadence, striking under your hip, arm and hand position. With this visualization, the run can go from creating anxiety to being present and feeling in control of your situation. 

Why do we do high cadence bike drills?

  • Similar to run drills, high cadence is neuromuscular work that connects our brain with our feet. 

  • Having a quick cadence will help you respond to uphills better and benefit you on group rides when the pace quickens. 

  • A high cadence can be used to take the load off your muscles and put the load more on your aerobic system. 

  • High cadence, done well, will help smooth out your pedal stroke. 

Challenge of the Week: 

  • Jim: Focus on a good run warmup. Try to get in at least 5’ of walking before you start your run. Tip: plan your run route a little longer than you want to run so you can walk the first 5-10’ and then the last 5’ as a cooldown. I’ve been parking at the bottom of a big hill to get in my first 5’. 

  • Katie: Skip or modify at least one workout based on how you feel (i.e., get a yellow, orange, or red box in TP and be ok with it!). We view 85-90% compliance as better from a mental and physical health perspective than 100%, and doing this can alleviate stress if and when it happens in the future. 

  • Kevin: Write down micro goals for the week!

Gear Pick of the Week:

Jim: LL Bean Boat and Tote®, Open-Top - canvas bag for gear storage and transport 

Katie: Peanut Massage Ball Roller for upper back and neck

Kevin: ON Cloudboom running shoes 


Episode 17: The Forces We're Up Against (Female Athlete Stories #4)

In the fourth installment of our special series, Female Athlete Stories, we’re tackling the forces we’re up against. Highlights of this super rich episode include: another deep dive on body image, the objectification of the female athlete body, safety as female athletes, femininity and athletics, the myth of balance for women in sport, navigating the medical system and health challenges as a female athlete, lack of research, and cultural assumptions about our abilities and performance. This was a fun one! 

To submit additional perspectives and experiences to future episodes, check out ⁠this link⁠!

Safety resources: 

On balance:

Articles we mentioned:

Female athlete research and resources we mentioned: 

Our emails:

Episode 16: So You Want to Do an Ironman?

This week's episode is all about what you should be thinking about (and what life will look like) if you decide to sign up for a big endurance challenge like an Ironman. We highlight four key things to ask yourself before you bite the bullet, cover the top practical items you will need to support your endurance journey, and outline the progression of training for big events like these. We also share some coaching and training insights on workout modifications and the ebb and flow of life and training, answer a bunch of listener questions, introduce a new segment (Challenge of the Week) and share our favorite gear picks. This is a fun one, so check it out!

Main Topic:

First thing first: Ironman has a big cultural influence; it’s marketed as the hardest one day challenge. But it is not. There are many ways to have a big day such as running a 50 or 100 mile ultra, a huge day in the mountains or a mega bike ride. Or you may be just starting your endurance journey and finishing a Half Ironman or a bike around your town is a big day. We are here for all of it and support you with whatever big challenge you want to tackle. Ironman is a huge accomplishment but it’s not the arbiter of physical and mental toughness. 

And if Ironman is not your thing, you can still apply these same principles, strategies and tactics to your big endurance day. 

Four Key Points

1) Develop and articulate the reasons why you want to race. Ironman training is very physically and mentally challenging. It requires an unusually high level of commitment over a long period of time - 9 months at the minimum and usually 2 - 5 years to build up the endurance. You will experience many deep highs and lows during training and racing. Ironman training is lonely, it is long days in the saddle, there are no crowds cheering you on on Sunday morning as you struggle out of bed to do another 2 hour run. 

  • During the lows, you will want to return to why you have chosen to race. When you have arranged your, and your families, entire life around this event, the importance of your why is utmost and fundamental to the process. The more your “why” is defined, the clearer and successful your training and racing. Your mental game will need to be as strong as your physical one.

  • Conversely, some examples of invalid “why” to race are cool Strava titles, attention seeking from peers and family, revenge racing and Instagram moments. Your why must be deep, meaningful and honest.

  • Katie example -- talk through “why” for IM Lake Placid this year (feeling like I wanted to see what I could do, display my fitness after challenging St. George, try new workouts and push limits, see what a healthier body could produce)

2) Get buy-in from your family and friends. Long distance triathlon training is extremely taxing on your time and resources. It is critical that you build buy-in, acceptance and support of your goals from your family, friends and colleagues. You are embarking on a very selfish (but healthy) journey. The time required to properly train for a long distance race should not be underestimated. You will be absent for large portions of weekends. Make sure you accurately portray the time demands to those you are closest to. In other words, if you’re going to ditch your wife with the kids for 10 - 20 weekend mornings you better make a sustainable, win/win bargain with them! You cannot do this alone. It takes a village to train a triathlete. 

  • A properly executed training phase will result in better relationships with your family and friends, not one that destroys those bonds. This is a delicate and deliberate balancing act for which you must always be vigilantly aware and communicative.

3) Do you have time to properly train for the race? You will need between 10 - 20 hours, depending on your goals. You will need to spend many weekends doing 5 - 6 hour rides, a 4K swim and log hours running. It is a full on lifestyle. 

  • We all want to be the hero of our story but it’s essential we match what is possible given our time constraints, family and work situation. 

4) Do you have the budget for an Ironman?

  • Ironmans are very expensive. The average cost for an Ironman entry is $750 but some races can be a lot more. 

  • Include housing, travel and gear expenses and an Ironman is easily a $5,000 - $10,000 commitment. Maybe even more if you buy a bunch of fancy gear!

  • Even things like nutrition and hydration products are really expensive here!

  • We want to emphasize that you need to square away the above four key points before you pull the trigger on an Ironman (or any big event/race).

Top practical items you will need: 

  • A bike and a bike fit. You will spend literally hundreds of hours on the bike. It must fit properly. If you are riding a road bike, you will want to put aero bars on it and practice in aero during the Specific Prep phase. If you are riding a tri bike, you will do most of your last 12 weeks of training on it. A smart trainer and Zwift/Rouvy will make bike training a ton easier.

  • Proper run shoes and run mechanics. You will run hundreds of miles. You need running shoes that are appropriate for you and that distance. And you should ensure your run mechanics are sound (see PT episode). 

    • You should also be switching our multiple pairs of shoes per Neil!

  • Regular access to a pool. Think 3X per week. You will need to regularly swim 3K and at least 1X 4K swim per week during the Specific Preparation phase (the last 12 weeks). You will need to do a number of 4K open water swims before your race. Ideally, you would swim 5 - 10 times in open water before your race.

  • Nearly everyone will need access to a local body care network. A PT familiar with endurance training is a good start. You will experience niggles and possibly injury. Be prepared to have a network in place so you can prevent and/or respond to what arises.

  • A tri kit or some active gear that you can spend 10 - 16 hours in. You must test this gear on all your Race Simulation weekends. You don’t want to find out on race day it causes chafing!

Training Plan outline: 

12/8/4 weeks out Race Sim Weekends: 

  • Our main strategy for race readiness is Race Simulation Weekends aka Big Days. We schedule these 12, 8 and 4 weeks out from your “A” race. They break down as follow:

    • 12 & 8 weeks out - over three days, complete your event distance.

    • 4 weeks out - over two days, complete your event distance (or close to it for Ironman).

  • An example of 8 weeks out Ironman Race Sim Weekend is a 4K Friday swim, a 100 mile bike on Saturday morning into a one hour run off the bike followed by a 90’ run on Sunday morning. 

  • For every Race Sim we plan and practice your race hydration, nutrition and perform at specific IM watts / run paces. 

  • Ideally, these race simulations are done on terrain similar to your race course. If possible, do the 4 week out race simulation on the actual course if you are able to travel there. 

  • These three key weekends are the primary drivers of your race day readiness. After the three weekends, we will have determined the key fundamental and small, critical details for your race day. 

  • Ideally, do a long distance training camp for one of your race day simulation weekends. 

4 - 8 weeks out: 

Plan and practice your race day hydration and nutrition on the bike and run. Ask your coach about our race plan nutrition and hydration Google Sheet. The gut is a trainable muscle; the more you practice training with race-day nutrition, the better. Nailing race day nutrition is a dynamic and iterative process. 

Correlate your performance with a heat and humidity index. The three biggest factors of race day success are fitness, hydration/nutrition and heat/humidity. During your longer rides, runs and Race Sim weekends, begin to track the heat and humidity conditions to understand where you may begin to struggle and have a need for more hydration. For example, your long ride may start at 7am in the morning at 70F with 80% humidity. I use a simple 70 + 80 = 150 “heat index” value. As you progress through the ride, the day heats up and humidity may rise or fall. If it’s a long ride, you may experience many levels along the heat index. This index is exponential, not linear. A heat index of 160 will feel way hotter than 150. Note when you start to feel hot, sweat profusely and/or develop a sheen of sweat on your forearms, indicating you are not evaporating heat away from your body. At this point, you are probably experiencing some level of heat degradation. The best way to combat this is internal cooling by taking in more hydration. If you have ice available to put down your tri kit and in your water bottles, even better. The main point is to start to understand under which heat and humidity conditions you begin to struggle. Under normal weather conditions, usually one water bottle per hour on the bike is sufficient. The higher the heat index, the more we want to drink, cooling our insides. Under heat stress, we recommend moving to 1.5 bottles per hour. Use your longer training days to dial in what level of hydration allows you to express your fitness, using a simple heat index calculation to guide your hydration and cooling plan. Everyone's a little different so use this time to understand how your body responds under what conditions.

Research which gels and hydration solution will be offered on course. You may consider practicing with those specific products during one of your Race Sim weekends. Currently Ironman is offering Maurten on course which, in my opinion, is a high quality gel with minimal risk of GI distress; however, they also offer Gatorade as a hydration option which can be very heavy on the stomach. If you use Gatorade, practice cutting it with water and see how it affects your stomach during a race-like situation.

Plan and practice your race day bike watts and run paces. Your race plan should include a Plan A, Plan B and Plan C. Plan A is if everything goes perfectly (realistically this happens 5% of the time), Plan B is the likely, realistic scenario and should be your main focus, and Plan C is to cross the finish line. Your race bike watts and run paces will be indicated in your TrainingPeaks account under key workouts. Make sure you are in alignment with your coach on what is an appropriate race pace (or more importantly what is not!). Our goal is no surprises on race day. Everything will have been practiced and refined during your Race Sim Weekends.

Identify race day controllable and uncontrollable variables. For the uncontrollable factors, consider potential solutions if something goes awry. For example, the weather is uncontrollable, but you may be able to execute the race simulations or long rides/run on days with similar weather (whether that is hot or cold). You can’t control whether you get a flat tire, but you can learn how to efficiently change your innertube. Your race may include a lot of fast competitors and peers. You can’t control who signs up but you can control how fit and race ready you are. Most variables are uncontrollable, but you can prepare solutions to mitigate the impacts on your race. The list of what we truly control is short but critical: breath, pace, effort, attitude, ingestion, gear and knowledge.

Use social media cautiously. Social Media, particularly Facebook Race Pages, are a curse and a blessing. You can learn a lot from the locals and past participants from these pages. There are many insights into the course, the weather, best gear choices, best times to train on the course (if an option for you), local peculiarities, etc. But these pages are also full of athletes who are anxious and often not well prepared for the rigors of the course. They display their anxiety by posting how tough the course is, how much they have, or have not, been training and often doing big workouts right up until nearly race day. While we are tapering, these athletes will be doing their biggest rides and runs two weeks out from the race. It will take discipline and judgment to sort through the relevant, helpful information and posts that should be ignored. The closer to race day, anxiety posts rise and less actionable information is provided. Two to three weeks prior to race day is a good time to not engage with these pages. 

Sauna Protocol. If you have access to a sauna, we can employ a sauna protocol before your 4 week Race Sim weekend, typically starting 10 days before this weekend. We will then use this same, or adjusted, protocol for your race day preparation. Adapting to the extreme heat has become a major challenge at most summer races. 

2-3 weeks out: 

Make a list of all the race gear and nutrition needed and order it. Always look for ways to reduce stress before race week. Ideally, all of your race hydration and nutrition products have been tested during the Race Simulation weekends. If any adjustments are required, use the rides and runs 2-3 weeks prior to the race to finalize your products. 

Open water swim in your wetsuit. If your race is wetsuit legal, you should be swimming in open water with your wetsuit at least once a week. Swim enough in your wetsuit that you are comfortable putting it on and taking it off efficiently (see swim/T1 below for details). The first 2 - 3 sessions in the wetsuit may feel uncomfortable on your shoulders, but you will adapt quickly. 

Listener questions: 

  • When to modify workouts and when to push through? 

    • Modify based upon Life Stress.

    • Consider swapping workouts around 

  • How do we think about downhill skiing?

    • Sub it for lighter zone 2 days 

    • It’s not an off day but it doesn’t really build base fitness

    • Ok to do it for fun! But not 2 weekend days in an IM build 

  • Why do we use paddles in swimming? To build swim specific strength. Also a good way to get in low HR, more swim volume and aerobic conditioning. Think of it like low cadene work on the bike.

  • What is the structure of your swim workouts and how do I best use my time? 

    • Our swim workouts are a guide and not meant to always be executed to the exact detail.

    • Warmup: Yards will always vary because your warmup should be specific to you. Your warmup should be between 500 - 1000 yards and include focus areas that activate your swimming body and brain. Warmups are very individualized so keep playing with focus areas and find the ones that seem to give you the best result when you move into the main set.

    • Main Set: Do this to the best of your ability. This is the meat of the workout. Do it with your best intention. Remember the focus is mostly on swimming well, not necessarily swimming fast especially this time of year.

    • Cool down: If you have time, 50 - 200 yards. Don’t overthink it. Get your HR down, take a few easy strokes and move on with the rest of your day. 

Challenge of the Week: 

Jim: At least once a day, be bored. Don’t check your phone when you have a free moment; just relax and breathe. Work on your mental durability. 

Katie: Be kind to yourself. Cut yourself some slack! 

Gear Pick of Week:

Episode 15: Community in Sport (Female Athlete Stories #3)

This is the third episode in our special new series, Female Athlete Stories. We start with a recap of Elena's outstanding win at the Black Canyon 60K last weekend, highlighting insights and strategies that transcend sports and ability levels across the board. We then cover some of the key differences our listeners have noted between male and female athlete communities, stories of female athletes in male-dominated sport spaces, intersectionality in endurance sports, and why we find that these communities are so strong.

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Resources we mentioned in the show:

Episode 14: Interview with the Best Coach You've Never Heard of, Greg Mueller

When we started the podcast, we made a list of who we wanted to interview. Our guest today was Jim’s number one pick: Greg Mueller, AKA the best coach you’ve never heard of. Greg runs a pro triathlete squad via his TEAM INNOVATIVE ENDURANCE business and coaches age group athletes. Greg’s pro squad includes Colleen Quigley, Grace Norman, Allysa Seely, Brett Saunders, Malachi Henry, and Derek Oskutis.

Greg is Level 3 USAT Triathlon Coach, Level 2 International Triathlon Union Competitive Coach, Level 1 USATF Running Coach, Level 3 USA Cycling Coach & USAT Youth & Junior Certified Coach.

But more than that, Greg is one of the most well thought-out, communicative, person first coaches you’ll ever encounter. His insights into training principles, physiology, movement, communication, athlete development and much more are lessons for everyone. If you want to be a better endurance athlete or coach, this episode is for you!

Greg’s coaching website (Team Innovative Endurance Triathlon)

Episode 12: A PT's Perspective on Endurance Athletes with Neil MacKenzie, PT, DPT, OCS

This week, we're bringing in one of our favorite experts to talk all things recovery, strength training, injury prevention, and injury rehabilitation. Neil MacKenzie is a PT, DPT, and OCS based at ⁠Cioffredi & Associates Physical Therapy⁠ here in the Upper Valley. Neil has been an Endurance Drive athlete for two years (and is a 2x Ironman finisher!), so he understands the unique needs and perspective of endurance athletes in his practice. We also recap some fun coaching and training insights on motivation, intentions, weight and performance, programmed Garmin workouts, and endurance training as a form of counter-culture. This is a can't-miss episode!

Training & Coaching Insights: 

“Motivation chips!”

Thoughts on the myth of ‘race weight’ / leanness.

Thoughts on the intention of the workout.

Thoughts on programmed workouts in Garmin.

Thoughts on training as a counter-cultural act.

Asking yourself what you really want to get out of sport.

Q & A with Neil:

  • Tell us your story! Background as a PT and endurance athlete?

  • What injuries or challenges do you see as most common in endurance athletes?

  • Top mistakes you see endurance athletes making?

  • How should endurance athletes strength train?

  • Recommended warm-up routine? Cool-down?

  • What should strength look like for injury prevention for endurance athletes? 

  • What other advice do you have on supporting recovery? Fueling? Sleep? De-stressing?

  • What devices or gear should every athlete have? Lacrosse ball, bands, Norma-tecs… what’s worth the money? 

  • Thoughts on gait analysis and bike fitting?  

  • Thoughts on body work? Massage, ART, cupping, etc.? 

  • Returning to activity after injury -- what is your protocol? 

  • When should someone see a PT? Do you have to be injured? Can a PT be part of a preventative wellness program?

  • Neil’s gear pick of the week: Get multiple pairs of shoes!


Episode 11: Introducing Female Athlete Stories

This episode is the introduction to a (minimum!) 5-episode series inspired by National Girls and Women in Sport Day. This series aims to blend the stories of dozens of female athletes in our network with our own perspectives and experiences. Here, we preview each of the key topic areas in our series (The Female Body, Community in Sport, The Forces We’re Up Against, and How it Makes You Feel), and then do a deep dive on our own journeys into sport. Featuring Katie Clayton and Elena Horton, coaches at The Endurance Drive.

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Episode 10: Durability, the Endurance Athlete's Most Valuable Trait

In this episode, we do a deep dive on what we consider to be the endurance athlete’s most valuable trait: durability. Sub-topics include: what durability means in an endurance sport context, how to build physical and mental durability, why optimizing for leanness instead of durability is a recipe for disaster, what happens if you don’t have durability, and how to know if you are durable or not. We also share the story of one of our most durability-inspired adventures: running Maine’s 100 Mile Wilderness in 3 days back in 2022. Finally, we share some recent insights from coaching and training, answer more listener questions on swimming, and share some of our favorite Vermont-born gear!

New segment — weekly coaching & training insights: 

As we move into harder, longer workouts, fueling is key. I’m seeing that in my Nordic ski sessions which by nature include a lot of tempo and threshold work. We have left the comfort of the fat burning Zone 2 work. Hard work requires carbs!

  • My recent California 80 mile / 8500 elevation ride was a big lesson. Not fueling enough after with suppressed appetite, ended up waking up starving in the middle of the night and my body was in freak out mode. Haven’t had that happen in a long time because we got out of practice (haven’t done a big day like this since Kona) but you need to be taking in carbs like you would for a race to execute these mega days successfully. 

Exercise snacks: 30’ runs and bikes are perfect to get us consistent and maintain a level of fitness. When you are struggling, mid winter exercise snacks might be the answer and bridge to warmer and sunnier days when your motivation returns. 

  • Katie: This is jumping ahead to listener Qs, but an athlete asked me this week about whether she should be trying to hit 10k steps per day as she is very sedentary outside of IM training. I recommended mobility work and short walks to keep things loose but no need to be systematic about it (ie a day with a swim and bike where you don’t get 10k steps != a day where your only activity is a 6 mi run, so it’s a bit of an arbitrary cutoff unless you’re counting non workout steps, and you already count enough!) One recommendation is EC Fit 20 min mobility workouts 

Some thoughts on big goals:

  • Big goals are often why we have chosen endurance sports and we welcome them. Dream big. You can accomplish more than what you think. There is a narrative we all tell ourselves about what kind of athlete we are. We have an internal dialogue that is often limiting. But with months and years of proper training we will rewrite that narrative because we far exceeded our expectations. Big goals with proper training are life changing. It is a very powerful medicine!

    • Katie: Never EVER would have believed I could go to Ironman World Championship 3x when I couldn’t swim across the pool. By consistently stacking bricks in the foundation (metaphorical and literal bricks!), big dreams start to become reality. ANYONE can do this.

  • When you proclaim big goals, you strongly signal to yourself, family, friends and your coach that you are all in. Again, dream big, be bold. Let’s GO!  And if you choose this path, as coaches we will hold you accountable because we are being held accountable by you. If you skip key workouts, regularly go off plan, if you take a week off during the specific prep block because you made other recreational choices, our job is to step in and point out the inconsistencies between your pronouncements and your actions. 

    • As coaches we want to ensure that your big goals are backed up by consistent, mindful and patient action. We want to separate fantasy and ground our training and thinking in reality. 

    • Katie: And if your goals don’t materialize, that crew will support you just as much. It stings a little, but even trying to reach a goal and not getting all the way there can be a huge learning process. (We will do another episode on failure and resiliency!) 

  • Patience always wins in an impatient world.

    • Coaching is about being gentle, precise and honest. Gentle because we have a person first, athlete second coaching philosophy. Precise because training is about applying the right workouts at the right time to get a specific result. And honest because we are partners in helping you live up to what you said are your goals. Are you executing on the commitments you made to yourself, your family and your coach? We are here to help you answer and guide you through that question and process.

  • Additional lesson from Katie - process goals over outcome goals all the way. Outcome goals are too far out of your control and should always be secondary to process goals. And you can have as many process goals as you want.

Durability Main Content

  • As coaches we train endurance athletes for many traits - speed, power, aerobic and metabolic efficiency, lactate tolerance, VO2 max, dedication and grit - but the one that we value most and try to build in our athletes and in ourselves is Durability.

What is durability and what does it mean to be durable?

  • Durability means: you can tackle really big days in adverse conditions, and not only survive but thrive. And you bounce back even stronger afterwards.

  • Durability is also in context: Your big day may be someone’s moderate day or vice versa.

  • Physically, you don’t often: get cold, get overuse injuries, get sick, bonk, etc. You become known among your friends as being someone they can really count on to stay clear headed and strong when the adventure gets hard or goes sideways.

  • Mentally, you are confident and relaxed before and during big days, and you know how to push through when you are deep in the pain cave.   Your ability to keep cool and logical during an adventure helps lead others to the finish.

  • Important: Optimizing for leanness is not optimizing for durability; we do not optimize for leanness because that’s a shortcut to disaster.

How do you build durability?

  • Starts with stacking a lot of small workouts, month after month, year after year, building that huge aerobic base.

  • If you are just starting your fitness journey, training for any distance race is the best starting point on your durability quest.

  • Ironman training is a perfect way to build durability. (Jim: tell story of new athlete worrying about IM training making them slow).

  • In race context: Big Days / Race Simulation Weekends.

  • Big days outside (of many forms): trail running, mega hike, biking, even hunting day (Jim), etc., especially in adverse weather conditions.

    • And wear/bring proper gear -- we don’t believe in handicapping to build durability. Set yourself up for the best chance of success

  • Fuel your activity really well -- you never want to be on the ‘edge’ of low energy availability

  • Strength train (and organic strength training via hill climbing, weighted carries

  • Incorporate lots of movement - exercise snacks - into your day besides training (10K steps, stacking wood, up and down stairs, etc.)

  • On the mental side -- do things that seem intimidating, push your boundaries or scare you and practice pushing through when the going gets tough.  Start with small challenges and build from there. Examples: add one more big hill at the end of a long run or bike, swim another 500 yards. If you’re not an early morning person, get up early and tackle a workout. 

What happens if you don’t have durability?

  • You will inevitably get: at best, not faster, and at worst: injured, sick, burnt out

  • You will be cold all of the time (anecdote: Katie originally not a very durable athlete; turned around on Madison because too cold first time going into Whites)

  • You will get injured a lot / not able to sustain big days, even if you have 1-2 good races

How do you know if you are durable?

  • You can roll into big adventures on little preparedness and trust your body to handle the load

  • You are sleeping well, your HRV is up, your resting HR is down, you don’t get sick often or easily; women -- regular cycle

  • You feel calm and confident going into big days or races; good mindset; while pre-race nerves are common, they don’t cripple you or impact your performance

  • You don’t bonk often and can sustain hard efforts late in the day as well as early in the day 

Summary: If your goal is longevity and joy in sport (and the ability to do literally whatever you want whenever you want in the outdoors), your focus has to be durability 

Story of the 100 Mile Wilderness Express and Durability.

Listener Questions:

  • When swimming should I do bilateral breathing?  You should know how to breathe on both sides but we highly recommend picking the side you feel most comfortable breathing and take a breath every two strokes. This gives you the most oxygen and works best when incorporating open water sighting. 

  • Why do I get exhausted swimming?  Most triathlon training is front the hip down - think run and biking.  Upper body fitness is hard to get unless you do upper body  like swimming. Swimming fitness is very specific.

  • Are the swim yards listed in your swim workouts exact?  No. Consider them a guide. Everyone should develop their own warmup routine that is 10’ - 15’ long, anywhere from 500 - 1000 yards. Then focus on executing the Main Set.  Quick cool down and you’re done.  Don’t fret the yards or even paces this time of year. The win is getting to the pool and getting in the water!

  • Should I wear my HR strap in the pool?  Does HR matter?  No and No. Don’t be that triathlete wearing a chest HR strap in the pool. We don’t look at HR data and not even sure how reliable it is in the pool. What you should work on is developing at least three speeds: easy, moderate and fast.  

Gear Pick of the Week:

Episode 9: Nutrition for Athletes with Cate Ward, PhD, RD

As coaches, we get tons of questions about nutrition for performance and health. In this episode, we’ve brought in an incredible expert to share her expertise in the domain of fueling for endurance athletes! Dr. Cate Ward holds a PhD in Metabolic Biology, is a Registered Dietitian, and is currently a postdoctoral fellow at Stanford studying human nutrition. She’s also an athlete, and she brings her love for cycling and other sports into her practice as a dietitian and researcher. We cover topics including: how to fuel long endurance days, supplementation, relative energy deficiency in sport, the physiology of zone 2, metabolic flexibility, and so much more. Thank you, Cate, for joining us! Check out her website ⁠here⁠.

Cate’s bio: 

  • PhD in Metabolic Biology from University of California Berkeley

  • Trained as a Registered Dietitian at UCSF

  • Currently a Postdoctoral fellow at Stanford

  • Athlete

Can you tell us a little bit about yourself and your background? What inspired you to become a dietitian and researcher? 

  • Always interested in science from a young age

  • Studied biology in undergrad, transitioned from molecular to metabolic biology 

  • Became interested in clinical human research and trained to become a dietitian 

  • Now doing research on human nutrition, particularly the microbiome, with Chrisopher Gardner and Justin Sonnenburg

One of the core focuses of our podcast is on the principles of endurance training and coaching. Do you have any principles of nutrition that guide your recommendations and approach, and what challenges related to nutrition do you see most often in the endurance community? 

  • Meeting clients where they are at in terms of nutrition experience, changes that are feasible to make, etc.

  • Underfueling = very common challenge; hunger signals can be perturbed after intense activity → need to be mindfully fueling even if you’re not feeling up to it at times

  • Intuitive eating is hard to rely on exclusively as an endurance athlete; think of fueling as like a medication you take before getting a procedure done

  • Fasted training: avoid as it hinders recovery and performance. Something is better than nothing, even a little bit of juice. Focus on easy, fast, digestible. 

What are your nutrition recommendations (in terms of macros, timing, ideas of what to eat, etc.)? Example of a weekend day with a long ride:

  • Morning pre-activity: Mainly carbs, lower fiber and lower fat as both can disturb GI tract or lead to GI distress, some protein. Examples: bagel and egg sandwich, bagel with peanut butter, oatmeal with milk (soy or dairy) and bananas

  • During activity: Simple sugars. You can generally tolerate more fiber in cycling (i.e., dried fruit, bars, muffins, cookies) than running (gels). Typically not tolerating any fiber in running.

  • Midday: Awesome to stop for a full lunch mid-ride (but not too high on fiber/fat); if not you need to compensate for those calories by taking them in during ride or after 

  • Dinner: Can incorporate more fiber/fat, playing catch up to compensate for not having as much throughout the day. Protein after. 

  • After dinner snack to make sure you are topped off and then honoring hunger cues the next day as you will likely be hungry

Q: Athletes often fuel less on off days. Thoughts on this?

  • People often equate working out to calories burned; instead, think about needing to fuel to work out rather than needing to work out to fuel. You don’t need to earn calories. 

  • Off day especially important to replenish the fuel tank. 

General nutrition throughout the day? 

  • Micronutrients, enough fiber on lower intensity days; but not too much fiber as you can end up not getting enough calories overall. Better to combine fiber with other macros that you need (beans, corn, whole grains = high fiber and high carb) than fill up on low calorie foods like lettuce. 

Do these recommendations differ at all across gender and/or age?

  • Older women often do not get enough protein; everyone should try for 20-30g at every  meal as a general rule of thumb 

  • College students often don’t fuel enough at the beginning of the day and backload calories; focus on getting a solid breakfast in, which can be hard with dining hall schedules.  

Do you recommend supplements? If so, which ones?

  • Best to start with getting labs done to see if you are deficient in anything before supplementing; if you don’t need it, you will just pee it out (which can be a waste of money).

  • Labs I ask for: full metabolic panel, full lipid panel, hemoglobin A1C, vitamin D, ferritin, iron, CBC, vitamin B6, B12, zinc; also need electrolytes (sodium, potassium, magnesium)

  • Anemia can be common in female athletes → iron supplement 

  • Hydration is important, although very individual-specific (sweat rate, activity level, type of electrolytes you are taking in); but do take in electrolytes during and before activity, especially in the summer 

  • First choice is to get the micronutrients you need via diet; supplementation only needs to be used when things are lacking 

Do you have any specific recommendations for athletes following vegan/vegetarian diets? Do you recommend going plant-based?

  • Definitely possible to get enough protein (soy, legumes, etc.) but need to be very mindful and make sure you are getting enough calories. If you’re getting enough calories, you can get enough protein. 

  • No stance on whether you should be plant-based or not, but always good to eat more vegetables; Cate incorporates meat as a supplementary role in diet 

We often see GI issues surrounding training for endurance athletes that can really impact race day or training. How do you approach this? 

  • Common in people training for first marathon; body not used to training and gut not used to handling new stimulus (gels, etc.)

  • Need to train your gut to handle more and more carbs per hour. Start with 30g/hour and work your way up by X grams per week depending on how they tolerated the previous week. Set up your run to have bathrooms along the way. Can’t predict how gut will respond until you train it

  • The grams of carbs you can absorb per hour does not actually depend on activity level, height, weight, etc. like daily caloric intake does; instead, it’s a function of training your gut. 

Underfueling: How do you know if you are getting enough? Symptoms of REDs?

  • Common symptoms: amenorrhea (lack of a menstrual period in females that would not otherwise be missing), low resting HR, high HR variability, unexpected cardiac abnormalities, dehydration, extra GI problems, stress fractures, persistent overuse injuries, weight loss, fatigue/weakness, low sex drive, persistent illness

  • Seek help -- primary care provider, dietitian, even parent/friend/coach

You work with people who have experienced disordered eating / eating disorders. We know this is very common in the endurance community. Why do you think these challenges are so common? What strategies are most effective for overcoming disordered eating / eating disorders? When should you seek professional help? 

  • A lot of social pressure in the endurance community can be a contributing factor (example: awkward to fuel on a group ride if no one else is)

  • Important to surround yourself with people who can support you 

  • Best strategy is to get help from trained professionals: psychiatrists, mental health providers, primary care provider, social work, dietitian, etc. -- centers that specialize in this. Reach out if you need help! 

  • Book recommendation: How to Nourish Yourself Through an Eating Disorder by Casey  Crosbie and Wendy Sterling

Weight loss and training/fueling. How do you approach it when endurance athletes are attempting to both train and lose weight at the same time? 

  • Can’t chase performance goals at the same time as weight loss goals; pursuing weight loss will usually come at the expense of performance (and leave you at risk for REDs)

  • Wait until after a goal event to be chasing weight loss goals 

  • As a dietitian, I’m never recommending weight loss and am leaving that up to the individual to come to me

  • For young athletes in particular, need to focus on fueling yourself 

Nutrition and Zone 2 training. How do glycogen stores work? How do you become more metabolically flexible?

  • Simple sugars taken in during a workout = best source of fuel; break down and give you the ATP that you need for your muscles to be working; carbs you take in are broken down and rebuilt into glycogen stores, the building blocks of glucose which is branched up and stored in muscles and liver; you access these while working out 

  • Glycogen stores range from 1600-2000 kilocalories; “hitting the wall” or bonking is when  you run out and have to switch to burning fat / working out at a lower intensity 

  • How to become more metabolically flexible? Train more in zone 2, as this improves your ability to use fat as fuel. Lactate testing can give you exact numbers

  • Becoming more metabolically flexible is almost entirely based on training status rather than what you eat, so avoid fasted training

We always end with a gear pick of the week. This week, I think we’ll do a snack pick of the week. What’s your favorite training-related snack?

  • Homemade trail mix cookies! Recipe here.

Are you currently accepting clients? Where can people learn more about you and your work? 

Episode 8: Why We Love Coaching

Today we're covering our favorite topic to discuss in real life—why we love coaching! We tell the stories of our respective journeys into becoming coaches, The Endurance Drive's coaching philosophy, what we love about coaching, why you should get a coach, and our favorite stories from coaching and being coached. Stick around to the end for listener questions and our gear pick of the week!

Jim and Katie life stories snapshot -- how we got into coaching. 

How we coach / Coaching philosophy

  • You are a person first, athlete second. Our training plans are individualized and account for you as a whole person. Everyone went professional in something else besides athletics. We are people first in the sense that most of us have full time jobs, families and community responsibilities. Athletics is important to our tribe but it’s not the only thing that makes them tick and it’s not the only thing they do.

    • Keep the recreation in recreational athlete.

    • Once athletics starts paying for our health insurance, it can tell us what to do!

  • Consistent, structured training: Appropriate workouts and intensities based on your training cycle, endurance event(s) and personal situation. Execute the fundamentals well. 

    • Fundamentals:

      • Zone 2 training and 80/20. Big value is taking new athletes out of chronic Z3.

      • Recovery is training!

      • Fueling and training go hand in hand. 

      • Injury prevention 

      • Fitness is a journey, not a destination.

  • Dynamic training. We adapt your plans based on so many individualized factors: abilities, strengths/weaknesses, injuries/illness, life stress, availability, etc. No two plans are identical.   

    • Jim to tell the story of trying to do a recent 3 week block for new athletes.

  • Communicate with each other. Coaching is a two-way street. 

    • Example: Athlete check-in sheet 

    • Every day we try to build a mental picture of how you are doing. We turn the dials on the plan one way or the other based on the feedback you give us. 

Why we love coaching 

  • The relationships. Coach/athlete is a very close connection. We coach the best when we have a whole view of you as a person -- your successes and failures, your challenges/insecurities and things that make you excited. 

    • Related: Getting to share in your athletes’ highs and lows. Coaching works best when it’s a relationship built on empathy. This is a huge privilege for us.

  • It’s the best intersection of being a: trainer, physical therapist, nutritionist, mental health provider, sports medicine liaison, professional athlete, teacher, etc. It’s great to not have to choose!

  • The ability to learn and evolve ALL THE TIME. Each athlete represents a unique set of considerations with abilities, schedule, strengths and weaknesses, availability, experience, race calendar. We are always innovating to best support our athletes. 

    • Related, the motivation to keep learning and innovating! 

  • Help others avoid the mistakes I made. I’ve probably made every training mistake under the sun. If you can think of how to do something wrong, I’ve done it.  My stupidity, ignorance and eventually learning the proper way benefits not just me but a larger community.

  • Lastly, we do it for the money - HA!  Coaching is the quickest way to become poor.

Why you should have a coach 

  • You are not always the best gauge of whether you need to go easier or harder. Overwhelmingly, athletes who are not coached do too much moderate / zone 3 / gray zone training and not enough easy or hard. Giving yourself permission to go slow is hard.

  • You are also not always the best gauge of when you need to recover.

  • Planning your own workouts is a real stressor. Taking that planning completely out of the equation frees up time and brainspace to do other things and mentally + physically recover from all of your training.

  • Accountability. You are more likely to do your workouts when you know that someone is reviewing them. Who doesn’t love a green box in TP?!

  • You have a go-to person to come to when, inevitably, tons of questions pop up about all of the ins and outs of endurance training.

  • Having a partner in all of the ups and downs of training and racing. (Note: Your spouse/partner may not want to hear about all of the intricacies of your Z2 workout! We do!)

Some of our favorite stories from coaching (or being coached):

  • IMLP 2019, 2023. 

  • Dartmouth Tri Club.

Listener questions:

How to make swimming more bearable? Hard to motivate for

Should I be doing flip turns in the pool? 

  • Never critical 

  • Open turns have many advantages, mostly we get a ton of air at each wall and, if executed correctly, they are just as fasel/zt as flip turns

  • For beginners, learning flip turns can be a way for them to develop a truly easy swim speed as they want to get a lot of breath before each turn

  • Ultimately you want to become the best swimmer you can become; the best swimmers do flip turns. 

Should I have different run shoes in the wintertime?

  • Avoid shoes that have minimal traction (e.g. Hoka Carbon X) when it’s slippery out 

  • Some people use Yak Trax; we generally opt for treadmill if the roads are really bad or just trail running shoes 

Gear pick of the week:

Episode 7: How to Get the Most Out of Indoor Bike Training

Last week's episode was all about unstructured time outdoors; now we're talking about structured time indoors on your bike trainer! Our big setlist of topics includes: why we train on the bike trainer, which trainer you should buy, cycling zones, specific and favorite workouts in the context of season planning, structured vs. unstructured trainer riding, cadence, Zwift racing, considerations for using a spin bike or Peloton, hours per week to target for various goal races, trainer pro tips, favorite snacks and things to do on the trainer, some awesome listener questions, and gear pick of the week.

Why did we want to do this topic:

  • Most athletes are experiencing winter and the trainer is an integral part of their program (triathletes and even runners).

  • We wanted to provide some insight on how we structure and progress trainer sessions in the winter.

  • Our most popular website page is our Zwift sampler download and wanted to offer a companion podcast to help those who we don’t coach get the most out of those workouts and provide guidance on how they could develop a winter trainer program. 

Why do we use trainers: 

  • Weather (snow, ice, rain, dark, fog).

  • Most direct and successful path to cycling improvement.

  • Efficient tool especially Mon-Fri for most athletes (gearing up for winter cycling can be a 15-20+ minute process).

  • Safety. You’ve never been brushed by a car in your exercise room!

  • Location - many of our athletes live where it’s not safe or easy to ride outside.

  • Community - Zwift, Group Meetups, invite friends to spin together where you can all be of different paces/abilities but still stay together virtually on the course.

  • Active recovery - a number of our runners use the trainer to recover and build aerobic foundation without impact

Which trainer should I buy?

  • I prefer the Wahoo Snap over the Wahoo Kickr as it’s half the price, the power accuracy is nearly identical and it rides very smoothly and quietly.  You can also check out DC Rainmaker’s annual trainer review.

    • Another advantage is that it’s a lot quicker to take your bike on and off the trainer if you use the snap. 

  • Whatever trainer you purchase, you’ll need to ensure that you get the correct thru axle for your bike that is compatible with your trainer.

Overview of Cycling Zones:

The below chart refers to a % of your Functional Threshold Power (FTP).

How we use the trainer January - March:

  • Jan - Lots of Zone 2 with 20” - 40” sprints, some short (20” - 40”  threshold intervals) and light Tempo. 

  • Feb - Continue Zone 2 with sprints, light Tempo and introduce Neuromuscular power and Anaerobic Capacity (AC) intervals, working on the least specific to most specific principle and build your top end speed reserve.

  • March - short and long Z2, Short and Long Tempo, AC intervals, maybe some Sweet Spot if you have some early spring racing. And hopefully some outside riding on weekends. 

Structured vs unstructured riding.

  • As we talked about in the 2023 lessons learned podcast, both structured and unstructured are very productive in the winter. The main thing is to get on your bike. 

  • Jim: Example of my favorite unstructured Zwift ride: Z1 spin for 20’ minutes into a few 10 - 15” pickups to wake up the legs.  Then ride for another 20’ in Zone 2, both sitting and standing to break up monotony and use multiple muscle groups.  In the 45’ - 50’ of the ride, find a Zwift sprint segment and go after it 4 - 6 times. These are usually 30” - 40” in length. Try to negative split your times i.e., get faster for each sprint.

  • Katie: You can use the natural terrain on different Zwift courses to mimic whatever stimulus you are looking for. We recommend switching it up (both worlds, e.g. Watopia vs. London vs. Paris etc.) as well as routes to get different stimuli, or repeat the same course to see improvements. Zwift tracks, e.g. PRs on a given route or segment.

  • One key difference between structured and unstructured. With structured, ERG mode is automatically on, which means you do not change your gears. I.e., if you pedal harder, power stays the same and resistance goes down. (Note that we recommend switching whichever gear your bike is sitting in naturally every couple of rides or else you’ll wear down some cassette rings faster than others. And don’t cross chain). With unstructured, you change your gears like riding outside to respond to the hilliness of the  terrain and the cadence you want to do. 

Why do Big Gear i.e., low cadence work? 

  • Done at Z1/Z2 HR but Z3 power. It is heavy torque/tension to build strength at a low cadence, usually 50 - 65 rpm. It’s a cyclist's version of rucking! Especially important if your race is hilly such as Placid, Tremblant and crucial for a race course like NICE with huge, long climbs.

  • We did a lot of this last year in Zwift in preparation for Placid and Tremblant. Road to Sky or Mountain Route in Zwift at 50 - 70 rpm. It’s a bit of “structured unstructured” training.

  • This is a topic where cyclists have figured out it works well but sometimes the science hasn’t quite caught up with why it works so well.

High cadence workouts

  • Why they are important: They are Neuromuscular, connecting our feet to our brain.

  • These can either be structured like our 10/15/20 x 1’ high cadence workouts or you can just do this at the end of an unstructured ride for 10’.  The power should be very low, think Zone 1 watts while spinning at 100+ rpm.

  • It’s a good way to flush out the legs at the end of session and leave the bike feeling fresh.

  • When I hear an athlete say they struggle with high cadence workouts, I know they need them and they keep getting more!

Zwift racing during the winter and spring

  • Are a fun way to challenge yourself and infuse some competitive spirit during the long winter months.

  • Can be used as a good substitute for a FTP Test.

Cadence:

  • Everyone has a little different natural cadence their body prefers or finds the most efficient for them. With that said there is some general guidance: 

  • Everyday riding - aim for 80 - 90 rpm cadence.  

  • The myth of riding at 100+ rpm like Lance does still exist. Ignore it.

  • Also, we have some new cyclists and cadence can be confusing. One athlete who was riding at 40-50 rpm because he simply didn’t know he needed to pedal faster. 

  • Sprint and Olympic distance racing tends to be ‘hot’ and goes off at higher FTP zones and faster cadences 85 - 95 rpm. Half Ironman cadence - 75 - 85 rpm. Ironman cadence - 70 - 80 rpm. 

  • Katie - some data:

    • Cohasset sprint tri: 92 rpm

    • IMLP 2023: 83 rpm

    • Kona 2023: 83 rpm

    • LAMB ride: 76 rpm

Do we do VO2 max work on the trainer?  

  • Jim: I personally don’t recommend it for most of my athletes and save this for outside work in the early/late spring.  VO2 max block is only 6 - 8 weeks so we can sneak it in before getting more race specific for long distance athletes. And for OLY, Sprint, you want to do this block in your last 12 weeks before “A” race which is usually getting into the warmer months.

  • Katie: I have used VO2 max work recently for athletes with winter races who are training almost entirely inside, but otherwise agree with Jim on avoiding VO2 max work inside.  

Is there a place for Peloton workouts in winter Base training?

  • Broader discussion on the differences and pros/cons of spin bike at the gym / Peloton vs. trainer on your bike 

    • Katie: We know that a smart trainer is expensive! In my view, if you can be outside for the entirety of your specific prep phase, you can get away with spin bike / Peloton free ride mode doing structured workouts in the winter months. However, it may be a harder transition to the overall feel of your bike when you get outside. If you do want to use a spin bike or Peloton, it is ideal to have as much data as you can (your FTP on that bike, power data, HR data, cadence, etc.), clip-ins, and above all be sure that your spin bike is properly fit to you like your regular bike to avoid injury. 

    • Jim: First, the best bike is the one you own so if that’s only a Peloton at the moment then that is the best bike!  And many people travel for work so doing a spin on a hotel bike is 100% better than not doing your workout at all. Ideally, everyone can spend most of their winter training on their bike as there is a significant biomechanical cost to switching your bike position. You need to build power and efficiency in the same position for which you will race. 

Favorite workouts we like on the trainer:

  • Jim: Z2 with 120% FTP sprints and short threshold intervals.

  • Katie: [10 x 30” at 115% or 125%, 30” at 55%] x 3, with 10-15’ % 55% easy between. Love it because it is the perfect easy is easy, hard is hard ride.

What is the best combination of inside/outside riding for an Ironman and Half Ironman training?

  • In the winter, it’s mostly trainer sessions. In the spring, we try to do a combination of inside during the week and outside during the weekend. Inside to build strength and power and outside riding to build volume / durability.  In the summer, depending on where our athletes live some do a combination of inside and outside riding and some do all outside riding.

  • Building outdoor durability is very important. Exposure to sun, heat, wind, rain, cold are essential long distance racing skills/qualities. Also, you can’t build bike handling skills inside (unless you are riding rollers!).

Favorite BRick workouts using trainer (use the HIM BRick sessions from Greg that use week 2 / 1 before a race):

  • Two weeks out from a Half Ironman race: 

    • Warmup:  15 - 20 min easy spin into; 3 min build to 90% of FTP.

    • BRick: 75 minutes as- 5 x (13 minutes @ Race Pace watts and aero/2 minutes @ FTP)-nonstop directly to run at:

    • 5 miles @ Race Pace

  • One week out from a Half Ironman:

    • Warmup: 15 - 20 min easy warmup in aero into; 5 min build to 90% FTP

    • BRick: 45 min @ low race pace / low Z3 (~80% FTP) into;

    • 10 min Z4 (85-90% FTP) w/ reduced cadence into; 

    • a 4 mile run at goal race pace.

  • Tip: If you find a really solid workout recommended by a top coach, think about scaling it up and down to either progress into that particular workout or use the structure of that workout to scale it to various triathlon distances and demands.

How many hours per week on the trainer for IM, HIM, OLY, Sprint?

  • This will partially depend on an athlete's goals and ambitions for their upcoming season. As way of general guidance, in the winter, our athletes trend toward:

    • Sprint & OLY - 3 - 5 hours per week. 

    • HIM - 5 - 7 hours per week.

    • IM - 6 - 10 hours per week.

  • One hack: Trainer doubles can be more bearable than 2+ hour rides. 

Trainer Pro Tips: 

  • Top priority - Get a fan(s). I use both a Lasko standing fan and will supplement with a smaller Vornado fan on a table and/or in an open window. You don’t need to spend the money on super expensive, cycling specific fans. 

    • One hack: we have had some athletes do fan-off sessions to try to acclimate to the heat. This is very case-specific and would only be done when you have no access to hot riding and are planning to race in a very warm climate (i.e. prepping for December races in FL/Mexico or potentially Kona). 

  • You don’t need a specific trainer tire. Ideally, you use the tires you were riding in the summer/fall, use them on the trainer in the winter and then replace your tires in the spring. 

    • Our favorite tires that offer a great combination of durability and speed are Continental GP 5000 tires. 

  • Have a towel(s) and/or rags to protect your stem, frame and handlebars from sweat. Sweat, over time, is very corrosive to your bike.

  • Have a headband and/or visor to help control sweat flow around your face. We like Boco visors.

  • A table on one or both sides of your bike will hold your laptop, snacks, drink, fans, TV controls, etc. I use these medical tables.  You don’t need an expensive specific cycling table although they are super nice!

  • AirPods or any noise-canceling earphones are great for mitigating the sound of the trainer. 

  • Use ANT not Bluetooth as a connection with Zwift. We use this USB ANT connector. Avoid Bluetooth connecting if possible. Katie: Preferred setup for connections is:

    • Power source: Assioma power meter connected via ANT (note the trainer can also be the power source, but you don’t get cadence)

    • Cadence: Assioma power meter connected via ANT

    • Resistance: Zwift KICKR connected via ANT

    • Heart rate: Garmin HRM-Pro or Polar H10 connected via ANT

  • To make a long ride bearable (have a friend over, special food treats, take a bathroom break every hour, stretch the legs off the bike, group pain cave playlist, leave your favorite show/movie until later in the ride, etc.)

  • Pump up your tires every couple of weeks. Lube your chain too. 

Favorite foods we eat on the trainer:

  • Jim - Nature’s Bakery fig bars, LMNT in ice cold water. On really long trainer rides, a plate full of food such as almond butter and jelly on a tortilla, banana bread, King Arthur Flour cookies.

  • Katie - +1 to everything Jim said. There was a time in 2019 where we all did homemade cinnamon bread à la Jim. Also like macro bars, stroopwafels. Skratch, Skratch superfuel in the bottles, or Nuun for shorter Z1 rides. 

Favorite shows/movies on the trainer:

  • Jim - The Office (Superfan episodes), football, any cycling races, adventure and climbing videos. 

  • Katie - Prefer podcasts + catching up on emails etc. for easy Z1 rides. 

Listener questions:

  • Can I ignore Garmin’s training status forever? Because we do so much Z2 training it’s always telling me I have a High Aerobic Shortage and an unproductive status. Is there any meaningful info to be taken from it?

    • This is a GREAT question. Unfortunately, as coaches, we spend a lot of time talking our athletes off ledges because Garmin said they are “Unproductive” and they probably just quit and take up pickleball.  

    • The short answer is please turn off and/or ignore all Garmin training notifications. The data is only one small piece of the training equation. As coaches, we are working together with you on a holistic approach to your training and health, most of which is not, and can not, be captured and/or understood by Garmin.

    • To give one example of how bad Garmin interprets your data: I have a Garmin 955 watch and a Garmin 520 cycling computer. I load all data to their servers. They have access to all my data collected from both devices. Yet their AI coach only reads and interprets the data from one of the devices.  They don’t even look at the entire user data!

    • Note that we will do an episode on good data / bad data in the future! Garmin training status = bad data.

  • Can you do too much Z1/Z2? Especially on the bike as we shake off dust from the off season

    • Short answer: Yes. While these zones create the  foundation, we need to remember several things: 1) Our bodies are really good at adapting to stimulus. If you do the same exact thing for weeks on end, after 6 - 8 weeks, your body won’t be getting any real stimulus.  This is why the 20% of the 80/20 is just as important. The 20% improves the function of the mitochondria. 2) Training is a novel stimulus then recovery which results in growth. We must have a novel stimulus. 3) Aerobic exercise is only one piece of the fitness puzzle. Aerobic efficiency is important but so is muscular endurance and strength. We need to challenge all systems: aerobic, metabolic, muscular, mental. 

  • Is Z2 training equally beneficial for male and female athletes?

    • Katie: At baseline, females have more Type 1 muscle fibers and higher reliance on fat metabolism compared to males. Ability to use fat for fuel is pretty good at baseline, so Z2 training doesn’t change this side of the equation as much as it might for male athletes, and it’s especially important to do plenty of pick-ups / hill bursts / other things that develop Type 2 muscle fibers and speed/strength/power. 

    • BUT! Gray zone training is still bad! In zone 2, you can increase overall training volume without beating up your body and mind.  In many cases, we can increase training volume 30 – 50% over your unstructured / gray zone training / Zone 3. You will feel much better, physically and mentally, with the increased training volume in Zone 2. And regardless of what is happening with fat oxidation, you need big volume to support the durability needed for an Ironman. So – what we said in Z2 episode still applies.

Gear pick of the week:

  • Jim: Staying with the trainer and bike theme, I use ISM saddles on all of my bikes - road, tri, gravel, snow and mountain bike.

  • Katie: ISM saddles didn’t work as well for me; I linked a few alternatives in my female athlete resource page. Favorite sports bra in the world is made by Indura Athletic — Square Neck bra. Small business started by a former Dartmouth XC skier; custom sizing and amazing fit that has gotten me through multiple Ironmans. Fill out our Indura bra order form which closes 1/21/24 to get a custom Endurance Drive bra!